Eric Kemp and Flowers feeble attempt to respond to Sean Cole, Chris Date, Tyler Vela

I listed with great interest as I found this to be the most destructive, devastating and damaging engagement or discussion of Flowers Philosophy. Then I listened to Eric Kemp who I debated on John 6 who tried to convince me that there were at least 3 or 4 verbs in John 6: 37-77 that practically meant the same thing and were interchangeable. First time I had ever heard that attempt to get around the plain meaning of what Jesus’ was conveying in the immediate and surrounding text. But it was even more interesting to listen to Flowers and Kemp struggle to overcome the Godly Wisdom of these three men who I think clearly done damage to Flowers and Kemp’s position. 
Israel was a sin, David did so and was grieved and confessed his sin to God and said he had done foolishly. Now I know you two say God does intervene at times in time and history to accomplish his will and purpose. But this goes against the very the things you object against what the Calvinist believes and these three men bring up in the podcast. That God moved David’s heart to Sin because he was angry at Israel. You cannot have it both ways, Flowers and Kemp. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARALLEL PASSAGE IN 1 chronicle 21:1 IT SAYS “SATAN MOVED OR Incited DAVID TO NUMBER THE NATION OF ISRAEL. IT WAS GOD WHO USED THE AGENCY OF SATAN TO CAUSE DAVID TO COMMIT THIS SIN. BECAUSE GOD WAS ANGRY AT ISRAEL. EVEN IN 1 chronicle COMPARED WITH 2 SAMUEL 24 WHERE IT SAYS IT WAS GOD THAT MOVED AND AND INCITED DAVID’S HEART WE READ IN I CHRONICLES DAVID WAS ALSO GRIEVED BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT HE HAD SINNED AGAINST GOD AND HAD DONE FOOLISHLY AND CONFESSED HIS SIN. So no, Chris Date is not Flattening things out by saying, God not only works out only just our Salvation but ALL THINGS (Universal, Absolute IN A Complete sense, All-Compassing) according to the Council of His Will.) He does not have to enter time to do these things, Flowers. God transcends time. Yes, he is omnipresent. But he is not actively working sin in the hearts DIRECTLY WORKING SIN or making people think a thought or make choices with their creaturely freedom directly always. There may be some instances where he moves the hearts of other nations to hate Israel and to go to war with them when they did not want to. But even then I would say he used a second cause or agent to make this happen. just AS HE USED A LYING DEMON OR SPIRIT AT ONE TIME IN SCRIPTURE God uses a lying spirit, a second cause, a second agent to commit the sin of lying. But God is not the author of Sin or anyway guilty by association. 1 Kings 22:19-23 – Then Micaiah said, ‘Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. And the LORD said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ The LORD said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”   God uses a lying spirit, a second cause, a second agent to commit the sin of lying. But God is not the author of Sin or anyway guilty by association.

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